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		<title>By: The Sports Media Revolution &#124; Bears Necessity</title>
		<link>http://excusemeformyvoice.com/blog/?p=210&#038;cpage=1#comment-5589</link>
		<dc:creator>The Sports Media Revolution &#124; Bears Necessity</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 May 2008 10:16:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] been some talk by the Golden Blogs and Excuse Me For My Voice about the Bissinger-Deadspin huzzzah! Now it&#8217;s my turn (I&#8217;ll provide a healthy set of [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] been some talk by the Golden Blogs and Excuse Me For My Voice about the Bissinger-Deadspin huzzzah! Now it&#8217;s my turn (I&#8217;ll provide a healthy set of [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Ken Crawford</title>
		<link>http://excusemeformyvoice.com/blog/?p=210&#038;cpage=1#comment-5575</link>
		<dc:creator>Ken Crawford</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 May 2008 16:01:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Avinash, I&#039;ve re-written my response here a number of times because I want to both be clear about the errors in your thinking but also be respectful of you, because I do respect you as a blogger.

Basically, your comment suffers from the classic &quot;X hasn&#039;t changed, and there&#039;s no reason to care that X changed anyway&quot; inconsistency.

So which is it?  Is it that there hasn&#039;t been a moral collapse or is it that it&#039;s not important that there has been one?

The reason I address your comment this way is because it&#039;s the only way a productive conversation can be had.  There couldn&#039;t be a good discussion with the DeadSpin author because he was unwilling to admit reality.

The reality is that there has been a moral collapse.  A generation ago nobody would have said we &quot;canâ€™t expect everyone to have a moral compass&quot;.  A generation ago, a moral compass was an expectation.  If you want to refute that, I guess you can try, but it seems self-evident to me.  However, it is a logical truth that any argument that also includes a &quot;it doesn&#039;t matter&quot; component, is an implicit admission of the collapse.

As such, in my view, the only proper discussion point is whether the moral collapse is a bad thing.  Obviously you know where I stand on that.  Nevertheless, I think it is an acceptable topic on which to have a conversation that is both productive and profitable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Avinash, I&#8217;ve re-written my response here a number of times because I want to both be clear about the errors in your thinking but also be respectful of you, because I do respect you as a blogger.</p>
<p>Basically, your comment suffers from the classic &#8220;X hasn&#8217;t changed, and there&#8217;s no reason to care that X changed anyway&#8221; inconsistency.</p>
<p>So which is it?  Is it that there hasn&#8217;t been a moral collapse or is it that it&#8217;s not important that there has been one?</p>
<p>The reason I address your comment this way is because it&#8217;s the only way a productive conversation can be had.  There couldn&#8217;t be a good discussion with the DeadSpin author because he was unwilling to admit reality.</p>
<p>The reality is that there has been a moral collapse.  A generation ago nobody would have said we &#8220;canâ€™t expect everyone to have a moral compass&#8221;.  A generation ago, a moral compass was an expectation.  If you want to refute that, I guess you can try, but it seems self-evident to me.  However, it is a logical truth that any argument that also includes a &#8220;it doesn&#8217;t matter&#8221; component, is an implicit admission of the collapse.</p>
<p>As such, in my view, the only proper discussion point is whether the moral collapse is a bad thing.  Obviously you know where I stand on that.  Nevertheless, I think it is an acceptable topic on which to have a conversation that is both productive and profitable.</p>
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		<title>By: Avinash</title>
		<link>http://excusemeformyvoice.com/blog/?p=210&#038;cpage=1#comment-5570</link>
		<dc:creator>Avinash</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 May 2008 10:59:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Whoa, the moral collapse?

I&#039;m going to comment on this later on my site, but I don&#039;t think it&#039;s as big a deal. Deadspin attracts a certain type of sports fan (those of us who grew up in the 90s who enjoy irreverence and scoff at deification) provides a suitable counterbalance to the MSM-types like Bob Costas and Jim Nantz, who poeticized sport into an artform. People write the way they write. 

We can&#039;t expect everyone to have a moral compass in the blogosphere. We just have to write well enough for others to find our analysis and entertainment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whoa, the moral collapse?</p>
<p>I&#8217;m going to comment on this later on my site, but I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s as big a deal. Deadspin attracts a certain type of sports fan (those of us who grew up in the 90s who enjoy irreverence and scoff at deification) provides a suitable counterbalance to the MSM-types like Bob Costas and Jim Nantz, who poeticized sport into an artform. People write the way they write. </p>
<p>We can&#8217;t expect everyone to have a moral compass in the blogosphere. We just have to write well enough for others to find our analysis and entertainment.</p>
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		<title>By: Ken Crawford</title>
		<link>http://excusemeformyvoice.com/blog/?p=210&#038;cpage=1#comment-5499</link>
		<dc:creator>Ken Crawford</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 May 2008 22:28:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rag, my one regret in how I wrote the post was that it felt like I was letting the publishers off the hook too much.  I think it leaned that way because the video in question did nothing to bring the public into the equation so my reaction was to emphasize it.

In any case, I whole-heartedly agree that the publishers can and do influence society and so should not be let off the hook.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rag, my one regret in how I wrote the post was that it felt like I was letting the publishers off the hook too much.  I think it leaned that way because the video in question did nothing to bring the public into the equation so my reaction was to emphasize it.</p>
<p>In any case, I whole-heartedly agree that the publishers can and do influence society and so should not be let off the hook.</p>
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		<title>By: Ragnarok</title>
		<link>http://excusemeformyvoice.com/blog/?p=210&#038;cpage=1#comment-5469</link>
		<dc:creator>Ragnarok</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 May 2008 22:10:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ken, I definitely agree with your premise.  Nobody is force-feeding the public this sort of tabloid coverage, and it only thrives because it is popular.  Somewhere along the line, society &quot;decided&quot; (as much as society can be said to &quot;decide&quot; anything) that celebrities (athletes included) were fair game, and that it was acceptable, even desirable, to expose and exploit all of the sordid details of their lives.

I don&#039;t personally take in such sites (I&#039;ll admit, I&#039;ve only visited Deadspin once or twice) not because I find them morally reprehensible (although I&#039;m not terribly happy it goes on), but because I simply don&#039;t find it interesting.  I could not care less what Matt Leinart does in his spare time and if it might involve beer bongs and groupies or whatever.  For me, sports are a delightful (and often intellectual) pastime, and I have some trouble understanding the sort of hero worship/role model paradigm that gets attached to it.  It&#039;s hard to cheer for a guy if he&#039;s a jerk, but if he&#039;s able to restrict it to his private life (and I maintain strict boundaries regarding what constitutes &quot;private&quot;), I can certainly make it work.

However, much as I might try and blame society for this sort of coverage, I can&#039;t pin all the blame on them.  Producers of content, as you point out, *are* responsible for what they put out.  Talented journalists and authors have the ability to sway the public and its tastes; by taking the high road in their coverage of sports (or anything else), they can influence the public and help decide what is deemed important and newsworthy.  Certainly, its a quality I appreciate about your own site.  I don&#039;t want to tell people what they should and shouldn&#039;t like, but I do want to put out content that I can be proud of, and I trust that the public will recognize quality when they see it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ken, I definitely agree with your premise.  Nobody is force-feeding the public this sort of tabloid coverage, and it only thrives because it is popular.  Somewhere along the line, society &#8220;decided&#8221; (as much as society can be said to &#8220;decide&#8221; anything) that celebrities (athletes included) were fair game, and that it was acceptable, even desirable, to expose and exploit all of the sordid details of their lives.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t personally take in such sites (I&#8217;ll admit, I&#8217;ve only visited Deadspin once or twice) not because I find them morally reprehensible (although I&#8217;m not terribly happy it goes on), but because I simply don&#8217;t find it interesting.  I could not care less what Matt Leinart does in his spare time and if it might involve beer bongs and groupies or whatever.  For me, sports are a delightful (and often intellectual) pastime, and I have some trouble understanding the sort of hero worship/role model paradigm that gets attached to it.  It&#8217;s hard to cheer for a guy if he&#8217;s a jerk, but if he&#8217;s able to restrict it to his private life (and I maintain strict boundaries regarding what constitutes &#8220;private&#8221;), I can certainly make it work.</p>
<p>However, much as I might try and blame society for this sort of coverage, I can&#8217;t pin all the blame on them.  Producers of content, as you point out, *are* responsible for what they put out.  Talented journalists and authors have the ability to sway the public and its tastes; by taking the high road in their coverage of sports (or anything else), they can influence the public and help decide what is deemed important and newsworthy.  Certainly, its a quality I appreciate about your own site.  I don&#8217;t want to tell people what they should and shouldn&#8217;t like, but I do want to put out content that I can be proud of, and I trust that the public will recognize quality when they see it.</p>
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		<title>By: joshiemac</title>
		<link>http://excusemeformyvoice.com/blog/?p=210&#038;cpage=1#comment-5468</link>
		<dc:creator>joshiemac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 May 2008 20:37:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Blogs can provide necessary balance to round out information gathering on any given topic. I look at it like a meal: I wouldn&#039;t want to have a meal consisting of all starch, or all carbs, or all meat (well, maybe yes on the meat). In that vein, relying solely on mainstream media outlets will leave your media diet lacking in key areas. Bloggers bring a personal touch, they bring a 360 degree perspective, they bring insight and knowledge and maybe most importantly, they bring humor. 

As for Bissinger, I think he was way off base and came off sounding like a bitter man ranting about the neighborhood kids ruining his precious lawn. Being an &quot;official&quot; journalist makes him no more of a devotee to the craft of writing than a dedicated blogger. Yes, Deadspin is profane and often offensive. But that&#039;s kind of the point. It&#039;s like renting an X rated movie and complaining about the nudity. 

There are all kinds of blogs for all kinds of people, and the media world is a far better place with them around. Take the Cal blogosphere: there are many  different voices offering many different perspectives. My takeaways from your site and TwistNhook&#039;s will be very different but just as valid as the information I would take away from the Chron or the CC times. 

Go bear! Go blogs!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Blogs can provide necessary balance to round out information gathering on any given topic. I look at it like a meal: I wouldn&#8217;t want to have a meal consisting of all starch, or all carbs, or all meat (well, maybe yes on the meat). In that vein, relying solely on mainstream media outlets will leave your media diet lacking in key areas. Bloggers bring a personal touch, they bring a 360 degree perspective, they bring insight and knowledge and maybe most importantly, they bring humor. </p>
<p>As for Bissinger, I think he was way off base and came off sounding like a bitter man ranting about the neighborhood kids ruining his precious lawn. Being an &#8220;official&#8221; journalist makes him no more of a devotee to the craft of writing than a dedicated blogger. Yes, Deadspin is profane and often offensive. But that&#8217;s kind of the point. It&#8217;s like renting an X rated movie and complaining about the nudity. </p>
<p>There are all kinds of blogs for all kinds of people, and the media world is a far better place with them around. Take the Cal blogosphere: there are many  different voices offering many different perspectives. My takeaways from your site and TwistNhook&#8217;s will be very different but just as valid as the information I would take away from the Chron or the CC times. </p>
<p>Go bear! Go blogs!</p>
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		<title>By: TwistNHook</title>
		<link>http://excusemeformyvoice.com/blog/?p=210&#038;cpage=1#comment-5452</link>
		<dc:creator>TwistNHook</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 May 2008 00:12:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>After reading this, I suggest you steer VERY clear of www.catholicdeadspin.com.  For all of our sakes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>After reading this, I suggest you steer VERY clear of <a href="http://www.catholicdeadspin.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.catholicdeadspin.com</a>.  For all of our sakes.</p>
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